tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5021346565171482910.post3773058184536253424..comments2023-05-26T10:55:27.696-04:00Comments on Jc_Freak: The Bible and Code WordsJc_Freak:http://www.blogger.com/profile/14780031497091443526noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5021346565171482910.post-47903666113197089262011-06-20T15:03:02.291-04:002011-06-20T15:03:02.291-04:00ahhh (noise of understanding, not yelling in terro...ahhh (noise of understanding, not yelling in terror). Your definitions make more sense. I'm assuming the people I heard say liberal Christian in the way I described, probably meant it as progressive and in that context were comparing themselves to those who take the English translations literally and word-for-word. Thanks for the clarification.Anticipated Serendipityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04811224510476832369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5021346565171482910.post-86959771828357023292011-06-20T14:55:12.121-04:002011-06-20T14:55:12.121-04:00To be honest, understanding original context and l...To be honest, understanding original context and language <i>is</i> seeking the literal interpretation of the Bible. Indeed, that would be an incorrect use the word liberal. I would say that a liberal Christian, in the sense that I mean, is someone who doesn't take the Bible literally, but it is in the sense that take everything figuratively. A good example, and this is playing to you of course, is that South Park episode when the priest tries to change Catholic dogma. At the end, Randy says, "Yeah. These are just stories." <i>That's</i> liberal view of Scripture. It is believing that we are not bound by what it says in terms of belief or practice: we only use it to find inspiration on our own view of who Christ is and what the world is like.Jc_Freak:https://www.blogger.com/profile/14780031497091443526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5021346565171482910.post-47554165995725075332011-06-20T14:19:01.242-04:002011-06-20T14:19:01.242-04:00I haven't heard liberal be used that way relig...I haven't heard liberal be used that way religiously. Not that I'm questioning your knowledge on that or implying that you're incorrect. When I have heard people use the phrase "liberal Christian" they usually meant 1 of 2 things: 1) a Christian who has politically liberal ideals or 2) a Christian who steps away from the literal interpretation of the bible seeking to understand it's context and original translations. <br /><br />Obviously the 1st one doesn't apply to this conversation, but what you called exegete is what I have always heard as liberal. Hence me asking the question :-DAnticipated Serendipityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04811224510476832369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5021346565171482910.post-44926295909678584332011-06-20T13:04:52.368-04:002011-06-20T13:04:52.368-04:00Tara: I am using the term religously, not politica...Tara: I am using the term religously, not politically here. Originally (as in the turn of the last century), the left side of politics was know as being 'progressive'. The term 'liberal' was a religous term to describe an evangelical that sought to free themselves (hence the term) from the confines of theological tradition, including the reliability of Scripture. In this sense of the term, a liberal was one who saw the Bible as "irrelevant" to the surrounding culture, felt that if Christianity was really going to make a difference in the world, it needed to put some old ancient book like the Bible away some where. The word 'conservative' referred to the opposite of both of these positions. Since liberals were usually progressive, the two words became conflated. <br /><br />In this post, I am using the term liberal only in the religious sense. I know it's obfuscating, but unfortunately, there is not another term for this.Jc_Freak:https://www.blogger.com/profile/14780031497091443526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5021346565171482910.post-1965167342758714192011-06-20T12:06:48.335-04:002011-06-20T12:06:48.335-04:00"the liberal who rejects the reliability of S..."the liberal who rejects the reliability of Scripture"<br /><br />please explain what you mean by this.Anticipated Serendipityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04811224510476832369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5021346565171482910.post-60061069179170567312011-05-18T19:16:14.494-04:002011-05-18T19:16:14.494-04:00You describe very well my feelings on the topic.You describe very well my feelings on the topic.Kevin Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13472900037134045450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5021346565171482910.post-92113610425709940742011-05-18T11:02:50.335-04:002011-05-18T11:02:50.335-04:00This is the reason I prefer the word infallible ov...This is the reason I prefer the word infallible over inerrant. It covers both bases that you describe:<br />1 - believing in the perfection of the original message as written by the Holy Spirit through the Biblical authors. <br /><br />2 - Recognizing the potential for imperfection in translation or transfer.<br /><br />The second is most important. Specifically English is often an imperfect language for translation from Greek and Hebrew. This is also the case with other languages.Christopher Bastedohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09206117404977772937noreply@blogger.com