tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5021346565171482910.post394997525842310367..comments2023-05-26T10:55:27.696-04:00Comments on Jc_Freak: Calvinism MythsJc_Freak:http://www.blogger.com/profile/14780031497091443526noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5021346565171482910.post-79095525702070262432011-01-07T19:12:28.024-05:002011-01-07T19:12:28.024-05:00Good post. Most of these "myths" come d...Good post. Most of these "myths" come down to how terms are redefined by Calvinists.<br /><br />For example on "forcing people to become Christians against their will", Calvinists would say that the elect freely choose to become believers. But what they mean by this is that God works on the heart of the elect in such a way that they desire to believe.<br /><br />So Calvinists argue that forcing a person to do something against his will is coercive. But they also argue that changing a person's desires is not coercive (at least if God does it).<br /><br />This reminds me of the movie "When in Rome" (a chick flick that I don't necessarily recommend that I watched with my wife). <br /><br />The story revolves around a woman who throws a coin into a fountain in Italy. The fountain is magical, and any man who also threw in a coin is now attracted to the girl. The men really think they do love her. If you asked them they would say that they freely chose to love her. But she of course realizes that they are not freely choosing her, their desires have been changed by magic.Kevin Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13472900037134045450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5021346565171482910.post-44355910518323079042011-01-06T19:48:50.421-05:002011-01-06T19:48:50.421-05:00I essentially agree with most of your comments tha...I essentially agree with most of your comments that you made here although I would probably nuance the logical necessity of some of their conclusions. For instance, you were pretty generous in the idea of Calvinists not believing that God created people to send them to hell, but if God is sovereign in the deterministic sense, and if there isn't something like Molinism in play, then you necessarily have a God creating individuals who "freely" go to hell without ever being able not-to-go-to-hell. <br /><br />Frankly the post read like "It is a myth because I say it is."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03540790360133280664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5021346565171482910.post-40906687871402183072011-01-06T19:45:00.132-05:002011-01-06T19:45:00.132-05:00I had some of the same (unstated) thoughts on Patt...I had some of the same (unstated) thoughts on Patton's post though I think you're a bit more generous than I am. The Calvinist doesn't believe that God creates people to send them to Hell, says the Calvinist, but isn't that exactly what the Sovereign God does before the foundation of the world? Barring molinism, they essentially have God being the logical cause of all things and that includes the people who go to hell of their own "free" will. <br /><br />Frankly, the post read mostly like "It's a myth because I say so."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03540790360133280664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5021346565171482910.post-91064943503061982482010-12-29T18:22:43.456-05:002010-12-29T18:22:43.456-05:00And I am happy to abandon "fatalism" for...And I am happy to abandon "fatalism" for "determinism" if the former is viewed too negatively.bethyadahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08990677679970591625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5021346565171482910.post-66404478974937627592010-12-29T18:21:23.952-05:002010-12-29T18:21:23.952-05:00So, yes, Calvinism is a denial of freedom, while c...<i>So, yes, Calvinism is a denial of freedom, while compatibalism is simply being in denial.</i><br /><br />Well written.<br /><br />One of the problems that I had with the post was that although some of the myths were myths, some of the complaints were what Arminians claim are logically the result of Calvinism. Thus it is true that Calvinists deny the myths, but it is also true that non-Calvinists think that the myths are required by other aspects of Calvinism.<br /><br />When someone argues that Calvinism believes A which implies B, it is no good to say I don't believe B. That well may be true, but what is required is an explanation of how A does not imply B.bethyadahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08990677679970591625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5021346565171482910.post-64434230801862698212010-12-27T20:31:57.341-05:002010-12-27T20:31:57.341-05:00Great post. I agree with you brother.Great post. I agree with you brother.The Seeking Disciplehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10850752852586928341noreply@blogger.com