tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5021346565171482910.post3804347852198781886..comments2023-05-26T10:55:27.696-04:00Comments on Jc_Freak: Submitting to AuthoritiesJc_Freak:http://www.blogger.com/profile/14780031497091443526noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5021346565171482910.post-55107712432902241412014-10-25T13:04:41.776-04:002014-10-25T13:04:41.776-04:00Well, after 5 years, I think I should probably add...Well, after 5 years, I think I should probably add where I am at with this question. Presently, I am still hesitant on the idea that speaking in tongues is THE manifestation of the Holy Spirit. However, I would agree that Luke in Acts relates the two things very closely, and we should accept it as the most common. <br /><br />Also a couple of years ago I was given a different interpretation of my experience. Apparently some teach that you can receive the gift of speaking in tongues at the baptism of the Spirit, even if you never learn to use it until much later. This strikes me as possible, and something that I am willing to teach. I am not sold on it, but I have no problems with it. Jc_Freak:https://www.blogger.com/profile/14780031497091443526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5021346565171482910.post-49361305779337711202009-02-18T08:16:00.000-05:002009-02-18T08:16:00.000-05:00"is there any level of doctrine that you would be ..."is there any level of doctrine that you would be comfortable with? To you, is it a matter of sureness or a matter of degree?"<BR/><BR/>Sorry JC but I don't quite get what you are asking this in relation to, your situation, my positions as I taught?<BR/><BR/>I would say that requirng tongues as a sign of Spirit baptism seems rather all or nothing, either it is or it isn't, and there is either a second baptism or there is not. Personally I don't believe there is, and that would be a matter of clarity and degree of importance.<BR/><BR/>For teaching my class, I think its a both and situation. If something was not a really important issue doctrinally (like the details of church goverment), but I thought it was very clear, I wouldn't be comfortable advising someone to belive it, but I'd be fine saying 'this is what our church teaches, here are some other approaches, take it as you want'.<BR/>Other, more core issues, I would say that if they are truly important and I doubted their biblical foundation, I'd feel obligated to say so. <BR/>Now they can take that for what its worth, they don't have any compulsion to agree with me, but I couldn't address certian topics (salvation history for example) and espouse a position I actually thought was off base.Masonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12865044615971862266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5021346565171482910.post-11156608539379322482009-02-18T00:48:00.000-05:002009-02-18T00:48:00.000-05:00Thanks guys.Mason, is there any level of doctrine ...Thanks guys.<BR/><BR/>Mason, is there any level of doctrine that you would be comfortable with? To you, is it a matter of sureness or a matter of degree? <BR/><BR/>Kevin,<BR/>As far as a professor, I am already graduated, but I discussed these matters with some. They merely generally agreed that it was difficult. As for my pastor, I trust him a lot, but when it comes to things like this, it is more likely to try to correct then he is to wrestle with my issue. Still, I've talked with him a couple of times<BR/><BR/>From what I can tell though, AG is less strict about point 8 than it is about the other points. They have ordained many ministers that disagree with it. However, when they have done so, they look at other matters stricter. Personally, I think that is rather reasonable.<BR/><BR/>It is possible that things might work themselves out, and I'll be allowed to teach what I believe. In the meantime, it is good to have a game plan for how to deal with the dilemma.Jc_Freak:https://www.blogger.com/profile/14780031497091443526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5021346565171482910.post-83315567668849603002009-02-17T19:56:00.000-05:002009-02-17T19:56:00.000-05:00Is there someone well respected person that you ca...Is there someone well respected person that you can confidentially discuss the issue with? Like a professor or pastor? This seems like a pretty minor doctrinal difference, but there is less liberty for you then there would be for a layman. The "Riker" approach sounds pretty reasonable to me. :)Kevin Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13472900037134045450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5021346565171482910.post-80725151239883116422009-02-17T18:24:00.000-05:002009-02-17T18:24:00.000-05:00Good to see you back on JC.I know where you are co...Good to see you back on JC.<BR/>I know where you are coming from, generally and in the more specific teaching situation.<BR/><BR/>I had the opportunity to lead the High-Schoolers at my previous church, and did so for four years actually. It was a great church, and great kids, and my no longer being there has nothing to do with any of this (and isn't because of any bad experience)... but I did have some definite differences from the church's official doctrinal statement. <BR/>I struggled with that, but in the end I'm not ok with teaching these kids that I care about something that deep down I think is incorrect. It would feel like intentionally misleading them to believe things I think are quite wrong.<BR/><BR/>My solution, and I'm not saying this is what you ought to do, was to teach in a way that laid out a number of positions include the one the church taught, and then show why I think the answer was actually something else. <BR/>I got along great with the kids, and most of their parents, so I didn't expect complaints, even when they disagreed with me everyone was civil and we frutfully discussed it. <BR/><BR/>If though it had come down to the board or whoever asking me about it, I'd be very straightforward about where I differed and why, and tell them that if they needed me to stop teaching then that's their choice and I'd accept that without any controversy, but otherwise I couldn't intentionaly teach my kids anything I felt was unbiblical, and that if they wanted to discuss these issues I'd be more than happy to.<BR/>Thankfully it never was a problem, even when the pastor knew I was at odds with certain issues he saw where I was coming from and was alright with my approach.<BR/><BR/>Just for the record, I'd very much agree with you about point 8, I have no problem with tongues, but as evidence of Spirit baptism no, I wholeheartedly disagree with that and think its clearly unsupportable.Masonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12865044615971862266noreply@blogger.com