tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5021346565171482910.post8473270831999085583..comments2023-05-26T10:55:27.696-04:00Comments on Jc_Freak: Ephesians 1:7-8; A DevotionalJc_Freak:http://www.blogger.com/profile/14780031497091443526noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5021346565171482910.post-78604987927257446532009-08-01T00:08:02.392-04:002009-08-01T00:08:02.392-04:00Well Marc, Paul doesn't use the word 'work...Well Marc, Paul doesn't use the word 'works' in this text at all, so it isn't really an issue of how Paul uses the term. Thus, my use of the term was meant to reflect Paul's.<br /><br />But I do agree with NPP that Paul didn't use the term the same way that Luther understood it, especially within the book of Romans. It wasn't referring to the earning of an eschatological destiny, but rather a working out/maintenance of the covenant that the Jewish people already enjoyed with God. However, I would also say that Luther's use the word is still accurate in that we do not earn favor from God by doing the right things.Jc_Freak:https://www.blogger.com/profile/14780031497091443526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5021346565171482910.post-78658425347465965172009-07-31T14:10:34.050-04:002009-07-31T14:10:34.050-04:00Just reading this again I have to raise a question...Just reading this again I have to raise a question. How sure are you that, when Paul says "works" he means the same as you seem to mean?<br /><br /><i>We do not have redemption through our works...</i><br /><br />You are right to point out that Paul was actually arguing about salvation apart from heritage (being Jewish in the sense of obeying Torah). The BIG question is whether Luther and the reformers drew a wide general conclusion where Paul only had a specific point in mind.<br /><br />This is the New Perspective on Paul I'm sure you'll know.cawoodmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02108527908963003806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5021346565171482910.post-4635953009263139102009-07-17T17:54:35.453-04:002009-07-17T17:54:35.453-04:00Yes, potentially misleading, though techniquely ac...Yes, potentially misleading, though techniquely accurate. We don't add to the atonement itself, but we are called to live the atonement out. It's one of those paradoxes.Jc_Freak:https://www.blogger.com/profile/14780031497091443526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5021346565171482910.post-49775541770346721042009-07-17T10:58:47.632-04:002009-07-17T10:58:47.632-04:00There are those who take the "it's all be...There are those who take the "it's all been done" idea so far that any effort on our part becomes superflous.<br /><br />However, if the Atonement's purpose was reconciliation with God and forgiveness of sins then surely we are active participants. We repent and believe in Jesus and Atonement is of no benefit to those who do not repent.<br /><br />I find the whole concept of "we can't add a thing to what's been done" potentially misleading.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com